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Words usually written using kana

Jose   December 6th, 2010 9:57a.m.

I'm checking the vocabulary lists for JLPT and I'm surprised that for JLPT 4 you need to recognize the kanji for (ある) "有る" (and I saw more examples like these).

ある is written usually using kana, you need to know this word for JLPT 4 but not the kanji. So learning the list is a bit overkill.

Is there any way to fix this?

Thank you!

scott   December 6th, 2010 4:18p.m.

Hmm, I'm not sure why, but the list seems to have lost its settings for which words should have their writings studied. I'll fix this data soon.

scott   December 6th, 2010 5:17p.m.

Actually, on second pass through it looks like I just had "Study All Kanji in Lists" enabled, so it was showing everything was to be studied. Looks like the lists are all set to skip the writing for that vocab and all the other vocabs that contain Kanji that are not to be studied for the JLPT 4. You should be good to go.

wispfrog   December 6th, 2010 5:54p.m.

Hmm, I was thinking this too, and I'm still not convinced its right. I've only ever used JNLP 4, so I removed it all and then hit study again, having checked that study rare kanji and all kanji not ticked, but I'm still being show them.

fluvius1   December 7th, 2010 1:10a.m.

I am new to Skritter, and am also studying JLPT 4. I went through the character/word lists and selected only those I did not know well, adding them to the queue, omitting those I know well. I still get shown all, including those I did not select. Is this the same problem?

Jose   December 7th, 2010 1:54a.m.

I just tried it again. My settings for rare kanji and study all kanji are off.

But practice page insists I should recognice 抔 (nado) o even kanji for "kore" on JLPT 4 lists.

scott   December 7th, 2010 10:23a.m.

@wispfrog and @Jose: Do you mean the kanji is shown when you study the reading or definition? I checked both your guys' accounts and the writing parts for the words you mentioned are not shown as being studied. Or is the system having you actually write out these kanji?

Hmm, we might want to change that actually. We set it up the way it is so you could at least become familiar with the kanji a little bit even if you weren't actively studying them for a given word. We could have the definition visible by default, or hook it up with the hide reading setting or have its own separate setting, though in general we want to avoid adding more settings if we can (to keep the interface as clean as possible).

What do you guys think?

@fluvius1: So you added words from the JLPT4 to your queue, then studied the whole list? When you study the list, it goes through all the words and adds them (at least from all the sections that weren't unchecked when you activated the list). If you want to not study words from the list, you'll have to go through the section now, select the ones you don't want to study, and press the delete button at the top of the list of words.

Jose   December 7th, 2010 11:42a.m.

It's true you don't have to write them but when the practice screen ask for definition only the kanji is shown. I just tried it and I got asked for 抔 (nado) and 然し (shikashi).

So for example kanji 然 is introduced in N3 level, asking to recognice 然し in level N5 is too much (but knowing the meaning of しかし is required in N5). Even showing kanji for this word maybe distracting as しかし is usually written in hiragana and not required to recognize it with kanji in any JLPT list.

In my opinion:

* If word is usually written in kana: don't ask for kanji (write or recognize)
* If Kanji not in JLPT list -> don't ask to recognize kanji but show it anyway

scott   December 7th, 2010 4:16p.m.

Ah I see the problem. You have hide reading enabled. Click the settings in the upper right corner of the practice area and uncheck "hide reading". Then when you're prompted for the definition, the reading will automatically be shown, you won't have to click to show it.

I think once you've done that, the only remaining problem would be prompting for the reading, where the definition is shown. In that case only the writing is given.

Jose   December 8th, 2010 4:04a.m.

Oh! Thanks, I'm going to try it!

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